Skin Health – How to Achieve Healthy, Vibrate Skin!

me&my health up podcast episode #11 – Transcript

Anthony Hartcher 0:00
Welcome to another amazing episode of health Up. With your host, Anthony Hatcher, health up inspires to enhance and enlighten the well being of others.

We’re blessed to have today and naturopath Renee Grandi, coming to us all the way from sunny Thailand. Renee specialises in female health. And in particular, we’re going to be exploring with Rene today, skin health. So welcome, Renee. How are you?

Renee Grandi 0:26
Hi, Anthony. Thank you for having me. I’m really well.

Anthony Hartcher 0:30
Fantastic. And yeah, I would really like to hear a bit more about your background and your story as to how you arrived into nephropathy. And in particular, you’re focused on women’s health and what you know, what inspired that journey?

Renee Grandi 0:48
Okay, so I’m the founder of Goddess Natural Health. And that’s a female based nutrition and natural beauty company. I’m also a nutritionist, naturopath at a luxury health resort here in Thailand, and here in Kochi, Assam. And I guess my journey into health started when I was quite young.

I was one of those kids that had eczema allergies. When I was younger, I had hormone issues and then was put on the pill from like the age of 14. And then when coming off the pill, I had polycystic ovarian syndrome, PCOS. And there’s not a lot of answers out there. And I would ask all these different things.

I at the time was with a partner and we were looking into having children and the whole infertility route. You know, it’s just a lot of questions that I was finding really difficult to have answers to. Then I found out that you could actually study natural medicine. And I was someone that has always loved nature and believed in the innate healing mechanisms that nature has to offer.

You know, I was actually born and raised in a place called MCI. You would have heard of that North Queensland. So a small little beach town, always outside, always enjoying the sunshine and the beaches. And yeah, I think I just always loved natural, healthy food. My mom grew all of our own fruit and vegetables. And we’ve always tried to live a healthy lifestyle. And I found that that was what really made a massive difference in my health journey, personally.

Anthony Hartcher 2:35
Yeah, wow. So it was really very much inspired by your upbringing. First of all, your parents sort of giving you that great stepping stone into life with  serving healthy foods and really embracing outdoor activity and then through your own health journey, you’ve discovered that,  there’s so much more to healing than just taking a pill, so to speak.

Renee Grandi 2:59
The study, actually, I mean, studying nutrition and natural Pathy. When I was in my classes, I was so happy and excited to be around the people. The lecturers were always fantastic, so knowledgeable, I just wanted to obtain all of their knowledge. And I was just really excited to be learning about the body, biochemistry and how herbs and nutrients interact with our bodies. And it is so fascinating. Yeah, absolutely love it.

Anthony Hartcher 3:31
It really is, and I can’t wait for you to tell us a whole lot more about what you know and you do specialise in female health and you are really keen to explore the subject of skin.

Just because in today’s world, there are so many, I guess irritants to the skin. With our diet, in terms of the food we put  inside ourselves. It can express itself on the skin, as well as topical things that we put on the skin, you know, whether it be sunscreen or moisturisers or lots of sanitisers or you know, there are so many things that go on top of our skin.

And time and time again that people are coming up with various sort of rashes or acne and, you know, these sort of skin conditions would frustrate them because it’s so visual, so really keen to explore that with you. And, you know, some of the top tips that you have around, I guess, how do we maintain great skin health and really look after itself as vibrant and glowing?

Renee Grandi 4:36
Yeah, I definitely understand the frustrations with that. Especially coming from dealing with polycystic ovarian syndrome. You have a lot of skin conditions and you become a lot more prone to dermatitis and eczema and acne and all these things and it really plays a big role in how you feel about yourself and your self-esteem and your social contact.

So that’s why I had to dive really deep into the female hormone realm and understand that because there are so many women that are dealing with all of these issues, and it’s not an easy fix, which is the hard part. We kind of have to hang in there.

Anthony Hartcher 5:16
Yeah, there’s certainly not a quick fix where you can just take a pill and it’s fixed overnight. It’s something you need or in terms of natural remedies, you really need to work with it.

Renee Grandi 5:27
Yeah, and one of the main things is stress. Stress is a significant contributor to female health. I know it is for everyone. But we have such an intricate, harmonious hormonal communication, that when these hormone balances I guess, when the hormones are out of balance, then it doesn’t just contribute to the skin and everything. And stress is such a big part of that.

I mean, stress is going to affect your digestive system, your immune system, that adrenal health, and especially that reproductive pathway. And I actually wanted to talk about the HPA and HPG axis. So for those of you that don’t know this one, it’s probably something to write down. So it’s the Hypothalamus Pituitary Adrenal Axis. And this is what is really overstimulated when we are stressed, and the Hypothalamus Pituitary Gonadal Axis that is dealing with the gonads for females, which is the ovaries.

If you are in a state of chronic stress, then we are spending a lot more time sending feedback mechanisms back to the hypothalamus to create and synthesise cortisol. What that does in the body, though, is that it distracts and causes significant imbalances in how we make our oestrogen, progesterone, follicle-stimulating hormones, luteinizing hormones, which are absolutely vital to healthy feedback mechanisms and a healthy cycle.

That part of the brain, the hypothalamus actually sends out communication to the rest of the body systemically, every 70 to 100 minutes. So it’s just checking out what’s going on inside your body. It’s like, oh, we say, you know, what’s our environment doing? How are you feeling? What do I need to be doing? And short term stress is okay, it’s actually pretty healthy, you need to be a little bit stressed and the resistance and the adaptive process that comes with that.

But it’s when it goes long term, that that feedback mechanism really becomes dysregulated. And when that’s dysregulated, you might not be ovulating properly, you might find that your period cycles are shorter or longer. And these have significant contributions to skin health. If you’re not ovulating properly, you’re also not generally creating enough progesterone. And if you don’t have the right progesterone to oestrogen ratios, then it’s really difficult to have that nice glowing skin. And that can be a significant issue.

So if you have that high cortisol, that your body really innately wants to make sure you’re safe, and that you are well equipped to deal with any kind of danger. It doesn’t really decipher whether you’re stressed at work with kids lack of sleep, or if you actually genuinely being attacked, it just knows that you’re in an unsafe environment for a long time. And that is going to be the main thing that it’s going to worry about and send nutrients to.

Anthony Hartcher 8:46
And said on this  the subject matter stress and given it’s such an indicator in terms of our hormonal imbalance, and therefore having the implications on our skin health. What can we do to help manage this stress and help reduce that cortisol level so it’s not so impacting and we can balance our hormones a whole lot better?

Renee Grandi 9:07
Yeah, I mean, that is a big one. Because stress is everything really, it’s environmental. It’s a work-related relationship, whether you’ve had surgeries, chronic or other health conditions that are causing significant inflammation, it can be things like even antidepressant medication. Um, so it’s really important to find your trigger. That is number one. That’s the number one step because you might have 10 out of these things and be like, okay, so I really don’t like my job. I’m fighting with my partner all the time, and my kids are driving me nuts. I can’t sleep. So it’s okay.

What is the main thing that I can work on? And a lot of the time the first step is just finding a trigger. Okay. I really need to make sure I can get a good sleep to be able to adapt to the rest of the stress, if you’re not getting a good sleep, your body doesn’t actually recalibrate at night, it doesn’t get into that deep healing mechanism that it needs to go through.

But especially with stress, if you’re not sleeping properly, those delta waves that puts you in that deep healing, restorative sleep, they actually helped that neuronal connection get back to the original threshold. So it is very nourishing to that nervous system. And therefore, you wake up, you feel a little bit more well equipped to deal with whatever you have.

But we all know what it feels like not to have sleep, you know, if you’ve had five hours sleep or less, which a lot of people go through, especially with woman imbalances, you wake up and you just, it’s really difficult to take on the day or feel positive. So make sure you get enough sleep, really get back to the basics with things, sunshine, making sure that you’re not having excessive processed foods. Really just cut the processed foods out, you know, go Whole Foods, it makes such a big difference. And then making sure that you see professionals, you know, it’s not a bad thing to try and find a counsellor and work with them for a certain period of time. Or nutritionist or naturopath or, you know, anyone that you feel can make a significant difference with those trigger points.

You know, if it’s relationship issues, see your relationship counsellor, because that is always going to be in the back of your head. If it’s not right, you know, it’s gonna be that thing that’s constantly putting into that stress response. And skin wise, immune wise, digestive wise, it’s systemic. So that’s the main thing that I’m always working on with my clients.

Anthony Hartcher 11:51
Okay, so stress is the number one implicating factor. What’s number two that you find yourself? So once you’ve worked with your clients on stress, and you’ve helped  find that I guess, what’s the main cause of that stress and really work on that side of things? Yeah. Where did you go to from there? Where do you go to once you found the stress and you’re on top of the stress?

Renee Grandi 12:15

Yeah, so I mean, everyone’s different, very different. A lot of the time the digestive issues do attend to making sure that we can assimilate, absorb nutrients and to utilise them properly is definitely the next step because you can be having a really healthy diet. But again, if you’re not able to absorb and utilise nutrients, then it really makes a big difference if you can, if you have a healthy digestive system, making sure that they’re not nutrient depleted.

So sometimes it might be low iron, it might be thyroid issues, it could be not having enough zinc, B five, working on the liver, they are all really significant things and if they are having eczema or skin issues then looking at the environments, are they in an air polluted country? What kind of products are they using on their skin? Shampoos, make up all of that kind of stuff? Are they excessively scrubbing which can be a big one because when you have those issues you’re like I just want to get rid of it like now and then you’ve made it worse.

Anthony Hartcher 13:31

So you mentioned yeah the importance of getting good food in and making sure you assimilated into the body and that you are actually getting the nutrients from the food. And just before that you mentioned it’s better to eat less processed and more whole foods, is there particular foods that you know if we’ve got a skin issue and is there particular food that are better for skin issues that we should be eating more of and other particular foods that we should be avoided entirely.

Renee Grandi 14:02
I mean, everyone is really different but I found with skin issues, because they’re so intertwined with the digestive issues. Making sure that they’ve done a food intolerance test is really important, especially if it’s allergic you know, if you’re dealing with eczema, the main thing that I’m always finding is that they’ve got tonnes of food allergies, so eliminating the culprits a lot of the time, dairy, wheat, gluten, eggs and nuts which is why if you’re having nuts and or legumes they can also be quite inflammatory without even realising.

So this is why it’s got to be an individualised critical because to tell everyone to just drop that and leg up and  then everyone’s like, I don’t know how to deal with this. And if you test and same with pathology tests, doing a good blood test or saliva test, you really have an individualised approach and you can go straight in and target those pathways.

So yeah, food allergy testing, keeping away from the inflammatory foods. And I would definitely say adding in well-sourced fish, because it’s behind the omegas. I really love utilising like a super smoothie every day like your flax seeds, chia seeds, lots of greens, try not to overdo it on the carbs, even the whole food carbohydrates, because if you do have gut issues or bacterial overgrowth, then the excessive carbs can feed into that. So I also have clients that are like, I eat so healthy, but they’ll live off beetroot and carrots and sweet potatoes and potatoes and that can be also exasperating the conditions as well, depending on what’s happening in your body.

But find going a little bit lower carb not necessarily Keto. If they want to do that, then they can always try that. But the lower carb, and lots of greens, you know, foods high in vitamin C’s, pepitas high in zinc is really individual.

Anthony Hartcher 16:19
Okay. And then like because you mentioned the expert and the association with you know, potential allergens that people could be having. And it’s important to get that allergy test done to find out what those are for, for that person in the event of acne. What’s your approach, obviously, yes, stress, stress, stress could be an implicating factor there and in balancing hormones, because of all of this is there a particular approach you take to acne or is it very similar to just a generic sort of skin protocol you go to?

Renee Grandi 16:55
The thing is, is that there’s so many contributing factors, whether it’s hormonal, environmental, stress, so I would definitely say again, that can be exasperated by the high carbs in high sugars, we will have significant issues with that. Especially with our ovaries, we actually have insulin receptors on them. So if you’re someone that has  hormonal imbalances or even with PCOS, then eating the high carb diet, the resistance can happen within the ovaries and cause more testosterone, more sebum skin condition.

So once they’ve gone whole food and still having issues, the teas like the herbal teas are really nice incorporating rose hips, white Mulberry, I mean I’m thinking more Thailand cinnamon, it really is individualising the approach. Reducing down the caffeine, making sure you’re getting more bone broth in collagen support. Bone broth are an excellent one. If you can have a cup of that a day, make sure it’s organic, well-sourced grass-fed, or if it’s going to be fishbones making sure that it’s really well-sourced as well because the bones store the toxins. So bone broths, anti-inflammatory, really Whole Foods, lots of greens, greens with everything and not overdoing it on meat as well. That’s another big thing every other day. So yeah.

Anthony Hartcher 18:29
And in terms of high carbohydrates, what do you consider being high carbohydrate?

Renee Grandi 18:36
I think it’s depending on the person but I would say if you would have one meal a day, that is a nice portion of carbs and then have the rest is more green-based or low carb vegetable base. I think that’s really good. Not overdoing it with the fruit. So one or two pieces, two pieces max. Yeah. So you’re still getting the antioxidants and the fibre from the foods but if you are stuck in these chronic health conditions, it is really difficult to get back into balance. So sometimes you do in for you know, two or three months have to limit it down a lot. Really go super anti-inflammatory, nourish your body with the nutrients, herbs, supplements, and then see how you go incorporating more.

Anthony Hartcher 19:25
Okay, so it’s a real, it’s allowing time, you know, I think some of the key points I’ve picked up from chatting with you is certainly how much stress is an implicating factor on the skin, and secondly, about how individualised it really comes to with the skin condition and their environment and what they’re eating and what they’re not eating. So that’s very important.

Renee Grandi 19:50
So complex. Honestly, it is so complex, and I’ve had clients where they’ve been fine, and then they’ve had this huge, huge burst of stress And then within a day, it’s full fury, you know? Yeah.

Anthony Hartcher 20:05
And, and allowing time was the other point I picked up from what you’re talking about is, you know, not expecting results to happen overnight, that there’s a process to go through and I guess, as you probably find working with your clients, it’s sort of, finding that root cause of the problem or the, you know, the exacerbating factors or the triggering things it can take some time.

Yeah. So, and then there’s obviously allowing the time for the body to heal itself. And then obviously, you know, start seeing results. How quickly when you start working with a client, can you do that? Can the client visually I guess, see the results that they’re making some positive progress?

Renee Grandi 20:54
Visually? I mean, sometimes it can be within two weeks. Um, sometimes it can take longer. Yeah, I find that it depends on how long that the conditions been around for. Because in the naturopathic world, you’ve probably heard of this as well, for every year, it’s, for the first year, it’s three months of the healing time, and then every year after that, it’s equivalent to a month. So they’ve been dealing with it for 10 years, you know, it’s quite a long time. But they also can feel good really quickly. So it’s, it’s like, Oh, I’ve got more energy, oh, my digestion is better. My mood has has enhanced so then that’s also adapting to the stress and helping with that.

But visually, I mean, utilising nutrients like your vitamin A, your B fives, your omega threes, and getting in on that anti-inflammatory diet. And even things like zinc. Yeah. Getting them on the right herbs. Sometimes it’s like it can reduce down significantly quite quickly, depending on how chronic the condition is. So it’s nice, because once I see that, like, yes.

Anthony Hartcher 22:07
You mentioned, you know, at the start when you’re talking about the stress and the complicating factor it has on the digestive and the inability to assimilate good foods when you’re stressed. And so just on that gut health side of things, how much do you find that is associated with poor gut health in relation to, you know, that skin, gut axes, or guts 100% of the time, right?

Renee Grandi 22:34
Every single client that I’ve had that has skin conditions, has had chronic health, digestive issues. Okay. Yeah. And a lot of the time, they don’t realise it is the gassiness, it’s the bloating, it’s the flatulence after meals. And the smell of it as well. I know, that’s kind of funny to talk about, but a lot of the time, I might ask, and like, yeah, it’s actually quite putrid. And that’s not a normal thing. And I’m like, okay, yeah, so it’s fermenting, you know, if it’s sitting there, it’s fermenting, then it’s not a good thing to have.

Anthony Hartcher 23:17
Right. And you mentioned also toxins like, referred to toxins and environmental factors a number of times what specifically you know, in relation to toxins and environmental factors do you find that are really implicating people’s health these days?

Renee Grandi 23:35
Oh, God, the list goes on. So definitely the xenoestrogens, so they’re found in all plastics, right? If you are heating food in the plastics or using the plastic water bottles, they tend to leach into the water or the food and that the endocrine hormonal disruptors, things like your deodorant or the other aliminium, sodium laural, sulphides in almost all detergents and face washes. That can also be endocrine-disrupting the detergents that you’re washing your dishes with and your clothes because you’re sleeping on the pillows, bleaches, cleaning products.

Actually, a lot of these skin products, moisturisers, body washes have some sort of petroleum in them. And so paraffin is also petroleum-based. Anything ending in the ethanol a mine so that could be the mono, di or tri. They find them on a label that’s going to be petroleum based. And the problem with those is that petroleum is very hard to detoxify, right? It will accumulate within the lymphatic system, especially if you’ve got so many things going on. You might be living in a place with air polution .

And then you’re using the plastic bottles and you using harsh cosmetics and facial washes and you want everything smelling really nice. Everything high-end fragrance is also petroleum based. Usually it’s a family and it is a hormonal disrupter, right? And personal experience with the paraffin. I actually had third degree burns over three quarters of my back and my arm. And when I was going to the hospital every day, every second day to get a bandage and mended, they were putting paraffin on it. And I didn’t realise at the time, what that actually meant, but it caused significant lymphatic issues.

And so perioral dermatitis came in skin went really bad. And it was probably the worst time and it took a lot. So it had to be things like detoxifying properly, saunas, the hydrotherapy, hot and cold hydro therapies to really help with that. And then making sure that you’re swapping all of those cosmetics, especially makeup to a more natural based.

Anthony Hartcher 26:14
So you’re suggesting petroleum free products, you know, whether it be cut?

Renee Grandi 26:22
Oh, and the parabens. Yeah. So, so pretty much like the Elementium, the Caribbean, the paraffin, the ethanol, a mods, the sodium lauryl, sulphate, they are top ones to be careful of, and if you try and source the companies that are generally organic, and really whole food based or or natural base, then it’ll make a significant difference.

Anthony Hartcher 26:53
And you mentioned obviously, stress being that number one factor at the start, and then obviously talked about digestive issues and finding out what’s the Now, is the particular allergen that’s affecting them? Where does the environmental factors come into it in terms of how much of an influence can they be having, can they be having a primary influence or is it more secondary or tertiary influence on the person’s skin?

Renee Grandi 27:22
Um, I would say, I would say secondary only because I know so many people that have lived in polluted environments, and if your body and digestive system, your liver, your detoxification processes are going well, then you’re a lot more equipped to deal with it.

If you don’t have those mechanisms, then anything that is going on to your skin, or that you’re breathing in, can have significant issues in setting that though, the environmental pollutions are going to have problems on the gut microbiome on the respiratory system. And that’s also gonna accumulate in the body. So it is kind of like the chicken and the egg scenario. It just also depends on genetics, you know, your capacity.

Anthony Hartcher 28:11
And, yeah, just before you mentioned, you know, in terms your journey with the burn and then putting paraffin on it, and how much that exacerbated and made the skin problem worse.

You talked about some adjunct sort of therapies, and I was just thinking about, you know, what’s your favourite sort of go-to adjunct therapies, whether it be you know, saunas and sweating toxins out through the skins in a sauna or whether it be, you know, hydrotherapy.You mentioned that the Hot Cold Therapy, you know, there’s cryotherapy these days, and there’s a Wim Hof technique and, yeah, what are some of your favourite adjunct therapies for skin health?

Renee Grandi 28:55
Well, if you’re having something that’s very heat related, like eczema, then a sauna probably isn’t going to be a great benefit. But I found that the hydrotherapy works really nicely with that, because you’re not going into excessively hot water. It’s just warm and cool. And it’s nice because it gets the blood flowing.

Yep. Um, with things like the acne and toxin accumulation. Then, for me, I found personally that the Saunas are incredible, especially the infrared saunas as well, because they have that lightweight mechanism that penetrates deep into the cell. So they would be my top ones. I haven’t personally tried cryotherapy.

I know Epsom salt baths, the foot soak. So that can be a really nice night time routine, and it helps with the wind down process, reducing the stress, the perfect time to do some self care. You know, dim the lights, get a little Epson soap foot going on, add some essential oils, no burns nonsense, and it’s just like a really nice way to help detoxify. Yeah, but it’s also really nice way to calm down. And the heat is another really wonderful way to help detoxify.

Anthony Hartcher 30:16
So that’s the heat in Epsom salt bath is a nice warm Epsom salt bath. And what about like lymphatic drainage? You know, like a massage? And those sort of? Yeah. What do you think of them?

Renee Grandi 30:34
Yeah, I love them. Very gentle. Anyone can go and do that. You can do personal one. So even stimuli if you’ve got it, like around the face stimulating here, really quite gently up around here, doing this. And then just doing that for 10 to 15 minutes a day. Just very gentle. You don’t want it to feel like you’re pushing on the muscles. Yeah. But yeah, just stimulating the robotic system and yoga. I mean, yoga get up to move your body. Yoga is great, because it really does nourish and support the whole body. And you get into a lot of poses that help that lymphatic drainage and detoxification process, but anything that makes you happy that you can do to exercise and sweat it out. Yes. Will do wonders for your body.

Anthony Hartcher 31:24
And just lastly, the sun you mentioned, you know, obviously you grew up in Buckeye, and you love getting out down to the beach in the sun and how good it is to be in nature with de-stressing in terms of sun and skin health. Because you know, there’s a big drive today with limiting sun exposure and avoiding getting sunburned and avoiding that, a worst-case scenario that you may get cancer when you get older. Skin, I guess sun in relation to skin health, how much? How little? what tire? You know, can you just sort of explain your approach with natural sunlight and skin conditions and whether it’s good or bad or indifferent?

Renee Grandi 32:08
Yeah, so sunshine is life, it is vitality, you must have that. And I really do understand the concerns about skin cancer, but you have to make sure you’re getting enough sun and the majority of the time we’re not. We’re yeah smothering ourselves in sunscreen. And if you use a nice natural sunscreen that’s zinc based that can help but you must have some exposure without significant protection for at least 10 to 15 minutes a day. And majority of my clients are actually vitamin D deficient. And it’s because majority of the time we’re also working in the office and then on the weekend, it’s too hot. And there is so much misinformation about it. So making sure that you get some sunshine, half an hour walk and evening, doesn’t have to be in the middle of the day. But the morning and the evening is really nice time. Not so harsh. And your skin absorbs quite well.

Anthony Hartcher 33:14
Okay, sounds good. Yeah, good to have some exposure, but not excessive exposure. So you sort of mentioned 10 to 15 minutes up to half an hour, depending on the intensity of the sun. So if it’s less intense sunshine, morning and evening, it’s probably more than half an hour, the more intense sunshine, you’re looking at that 10 to 15 minute sort of exposure.

Renee Grandi 33:34
Yeah, but I mean, Vitamin D is really important for digestion, really important for your serotonin and for your mood, vital for your immune system, and for your hormones. So it’s if you don’t have vitamin D, all of those things become compromised.

Anthony Hartcher 33:53
Yeah. Okay. Fantastic, tip. I’ve really enjoyed chatting with you, Renee, and I certainly will be getting you back for future episodes. And we mentioned that very early.

Yeah, our pre conversation was all around about this over sanitization that we’re experiencing now and the impact on that and the skin microbiome and yeah, so some of the implicating or the downside factors to this highly sanitise society that we live in now, for obvious reasons. But are we overdoing it? You know, with a lot of things we do these days, we tend to swing the pendulum too far. And you know, you mentioned earlier in the episode about finding the balance and trying to balance hormones and yeah, so I’m really keen to certainly have you back and we can have just a full on discussion about sanitization, about when we’re overdoing it and obviously this point of under doing it, but you know, It would be great to have that conversation of what’s just right.

Renee Grandi 34:57
Absolutely. I would love to be apart of that, because there’s so much misinformation out there, and the more everyone knows, the better they can do to maintain their skin health.

Anthony Hartcher 35:09
Yeah, I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge today Rene, very valuable. You know, my key takeaways have certainly been that managing the stress, that’s such an implicating factor on skin health, then obviously, making sure you’re putting the right things in, you know, you mentioned Whole Foods, but then moderating that or to the individual, as you said, you need to take a very individual approach to this and  excessive carbohydrates is not great, and really watching that, making sure you’re having more whole foods.

But in saying that, that you’re not having an allergen that’s cooked, hence, get back to the individual factor, you need to find out what your body doesn’t like is reacting to. So I really like that. And then obviously, you went on to all sorts of things around adjunct therapies that can really support various skin conditions. And, you know,  the pros of having adequate sun exposure, is there any other finishing top tips you want to share with us in relation to skin health before we go?

Renee Grandi 36:21
Um, I would just say, my top tip is, try not to let it get you down too much. Because I know it can be something from a personal perspective, how frustrating it can be, know that it can take time, know that you’re doing the best you can, if you have been trying to sort this out for a long time and you’re not getting anywhere, then make sure you’re having someone holistically and comprehensively looking at it. Make sure that you are getting enough vitamin A, B, five, your B vitamins, make sure you’re working on digestion and looking at your environment. So yeah, it’s all  really about getting back to the basics. It really is about getting back to the basics. If you can create a really nice environment for yourself, the better it will be.

Anthony Hartcher 37:08
And so for anyone listening in that may have been, you know, experiencing a skin condition for quite some time and really like your individualised based approach. How can they best get in contact with you, Renee?

Renee Grandi 37:21
I’m going to my website, which is

Anthony Hartcher 37:26
Okay, that’s legit. Rene Grandi, thank you so much for joining us today and sharing your wisdom on skin health and female health and everything health and wellness in terms of all the locating factors that affect us today from plastics, environment factors. It’s been very, very insightful. So thank you so much for it and I really appreciate it.

Renee Grandi 37:54
Thank you. Thank you, Anthony. It was a pleasure. Looking forward to the next time that we chat.

Anthony Hartcher 37:57
Absolutely. Thank you Renee. Take care. Bye bye.

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